02/19/2026
Si believe this lie that they've sold their soul to the devil. And I mean, it's one of the biggest lies that Satan tells people because your soul belongs to God.
You've said you spent 20 years working for the devil. What does that
actually mean?
For the most of that 20
years, I wasn't even aware that I was working for the devil.
I thought I was actually helping people. This is the thing that I think a lot of people
don't understand. Wow.
Is Satanism just a
misunderstood belief system or something far more dangerous? We
are being observed by the
enemy and by demons constantly.
What we have to understand is when you are negotiating with demons, you have to bring a currency
to do that. So blood has a currency in the spirit world. The blood of animals, the blood of Humans, obviously, the
more pure the soul is, the higher the currency of that blood.
Today, former satanic church leader
Rian Swigelar gives us a rare look inside his
former
world and how, in the middle
of an occult ritual, everything changed. I was down on the
floor,
and I lit the second candle.
And the next
moment, this whole room filled up
with light. I stood up, and
I turned around, and there was this
man standing there. And
he said to me, I'm Ishwar. of Nazareth. And in
that moment,
there's going to be no choice
for me but to follow Jesus.
Reon
Swigelar, brother, welcome to Maybe God. Thank you. It's such an honor to be here. Thank you for the invite. Well, thank you for making the time all the way from South Africa. I've been wanting to talk with you for some time. Your story is incredible. We're going to get into it. First, I just want to name the reality that we were discussing before we even started rolling, which is the
inherent risk involved in talking about the topics we're going to be talking about. For everybody watching and listening, we're going to get into some pretty deep and dark spiritual topics today. That's just part of your story. Whenever we've broached these topics in the past, me and my team just consistently seem to find ourselves in the enemy's crosshairs. in the time leading up to it and the time following it. And, um, we didn't really, we thought it was coincidence at first cause we were naive and it's just, it's beyond coincidence. And, um, we're before we started rolling, you led us in a prayer for everybody involved and for everybody listening and watching our conversation, because, you know, as well as we do the inherent implied risks involved in this, uh, sort of topic. So tell us why specifically why prayer is important when getting into something like we're getting into today.
Absolutely. So I think people, and especially Christians, underestimate the power of prayer completely because, firstly, it's
so available, and
people think, people take it for granted.
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